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Chalan - 15.03.2007 - 14:53
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instalujem gentoo na core2 duo a neviem si vybrat vhodny stage, na nete som sa nejak nedozvedel ktory stage je najvhodnejsi pre tuto platformu, poradite mi prosim?

si - 15.03.2007 - 15:30
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tipol by som i686 (no co, ved prinajhorsom ti to nepojde Smile

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Chalan - 15.03.2007 - 16:12
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dal som x86... neviem teraz ci som spravil dobre Smile

magnum - 15.03.2007 - 18:44
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pouzivam i686 s tym ze mi bez problemov idu obe jadra...

podla mna x86 ti pojde tiez ale nebude to az tak optimalne...

Chalan - 15.03.2007 - 20:26
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to mi ani nevravte, uz som tam komplet nahodil x86... to musim vsetko odznova? chodit chodi, dokonca htop krasne ukazuje aktivitu oboch jadier... tak teraz neviem ci to hodit na i686

andreas4all - 15.03.2007 - 22:25
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ak ti to ukazuje vytazenie oboch jadier, tak by to malo byt OK (teda aspon zaklady)... aj ked optimalizovane to moze byt aj inde...

PCnity - 15.03.2007 - 22:30
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x86 je genericke... i686 by malo mat viac optimalizacii... Do make.conf si daj -j3 a -O3 to ti pojde poriadne... Smile

Chalan - 16.03.2007 - 08:46
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cize ak do make.conf pridam tieto parametre nebude nutne nahadzovat i686 a moze to ostat na x86?

fixi - 16.03.2007 - 08:49
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pri kompilaci vies urcit flagy ako sa to ma makovat... ja taham zdrojaky a tam sa nerozlisuje na aku arch to je... robite z toho vedu... Smile

PCnity - 16.03.2007 - 10:25
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Vobec to nie je jedno. Pri gentoo nie. Make riadi portage a teda je dolezite mat nastavenu spravnu arch.
-O ti urcuje level optimalizacie pri danej arch... -j pocet paralelnych kompilacii (anjuta sa s -j3 u mna nechce spravit... Svina.)

To aky stage si si stiahol nech ta teraz netrapi... Chost mas aj tak podla mna: i686-linux-gnu ALE AK NIE, NEMEN TO!
Nastav si vsak spravne CFLAGS... Napr. ja mam -march athlon-xp -O3 -pipe ... (cxxflags na cflags) to ti urcuje paramter kompilacie.

Ak sa myslim... Opravte ma. Dik Wink

fixi - 16.03.2007 - 12:36
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PCnity: to co znamaju flagy viem... a tusim pri pusteni configure, si automaticky zistuje march a mcpu, cize tam netreba moc nic nastavovat... maximalne nejake cflags a podobne...

PCnity - 16.03.2007 - 12:45
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fixi wrote: ›PCnity: to co znamaju flagy viem... a tusim pri pusteni configure, si automaticky zistuje march a mcpu, cize tam netreba moc nic nastavovat... maximalne nejake cflags a podobne...

Gentoo si nezistuje ani march/mcpu automaticky... Na to je /etc/make.conf aby si si definoval co len chces...

Chalan - 16.03.2007 - 14:59
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chost bol na i386-pc-linux-gnu, zmenil som to na x86_64-pc-linux-gnu ale pri emerge -e system nahodilo chybu...

Code: › x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: No such file or directory

!!! ERROR: sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.2 failed.
Call stack:
ebuild.sh, line 1614: Called dyn_compile
ebuild.sh, line 971: Called qa_call 'src_compile'
environment, line 3274: Called src_compile
portage-2.1.2.2.ebuild, line 86: Called die

!!! Failed to build tbz2tool
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.
!!! A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.2/temp/build.log'.

mam to dat spat na i386-pc-linux-gnu? alebo co spravit aby to fungovalo s x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

PCnity - 16.03.2007 - 18:04
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Chalan wrote: ›chost bol na i386-pc-linux-gnu, zmenil som to na x86_64-pc-linux-gnu ale pri emerge -e system nahodilo chybu...

mam to dat spat na i386-pc-linux-gnu? alebo co spravit aby to fungovalo s x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

Chost len tak zmenit nemozes

Chalan - 16.03.2007 - 19:06
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ako na to potom plz? chcem aby to bolo optimalizovane na core2 a 64bit...

magnum - 16.03.2007 - 21:34
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ehm tak toto ti nepovem bo gentoo som videl len z dialky... slack to isti...

ale dufam ze to nebude velmi OT ak sa opytam aky to mas notebook s 64bit core2 duo???

PCnity - 16.03.2007 - 23:29
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http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Intel_Core2_Duo

fixi - 17.03.2007 - 08:49
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magnum wrote: ›ehm tak toto ti nepovem bo gentoo som videl len z dialky... slack to isti...

ale dufam ze to nebude velmi OT ak sa opytam aky to mas notebook s 64bit core2 duo???

ja mam HP nx9420 a bezi mi tam 32bit Slackware Smile

, aj 32bit Wokna koli hram Smile

Chalan - 17.03.2007 - 08:54
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nemam notebook, to je normalne PC...

PCnity - 17.03.2007 - 17:28
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Inak ked si zmenil chost... Skusil si dat emerge --update --deep --newuse world ? Smile

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Chalan - 17.03.2007 - 20:00
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spravil som to cele odznova a stiahol stage3 i686 nastavil flagy podla wiki a ide to akurat ze pri kompilacii MC mi to hodilo error co mi so stage 3 x86 neurobilo Sad

Code: › {standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:54: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `cmpxchg'
make[4]: *** [gatomic.lo] Error 1
make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"GLib\" -DG_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGLIB_COMPILATION -pthread -march=nocona -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -MT gasyncqueue.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/gasyncqueue.Tpo -c gasyncqueue.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/gasyncqueue.o
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"GLib\" -DG_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGLIB_COMPILATION -pthread -march=nocona -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -MT garray.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/garray.Tpo -c garray.c -o garray.o >/dev/null 2>&1
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"GLib\" -DG_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGLIB_COMPILATION -pthread -march=nocona -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -MT gasyncqueue.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/gasyncqueue.Tpo -c gasyncqueue.c -o gasyncqueue.o >/dev/null 2>&1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/glib-2.12.11/work/glib-2.12.11/glib'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/glib-2.12.11/work/glib-2.12.11/glib'
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/glib-2.12.11/work/glib-2.12.11/glib'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/glib-2.12.11/work/glib-2.12.11'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: dev-libs/glib-2.12.11 failed.
Call stack:
ebuild.sh, line 1614: Called dyn_compile
ebuild.sh, line 971: Called qa_call 'src_compile'
environment, line 3537: Called src_compile
glib-2.12.11.ebuild, line 65: Called die

!!! make failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.
!!! A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/glib-2.12.11/temp/build.log'.

PCnity - 17.03.2007 - 20:03
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Tak teda si nahod novy system... Mozes aj priamo z tvojho enviromentu... Len odporucam na inu particiu.

Chalan - 17.03.2007 - 20:05
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jak nahod novy? vsak ja som nakompiloval vsetko odznova... ako mam nahodit novy system?

PCnity - 17.03.2007 - 20:29
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Takze uz si to vyriesil? Ci ako?

Chalan - 17.03.2007 - 20:50
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nie

som z toho zufaly... spravil som vsetko odznova... cize miniinstal, podla manualu som nahodil stage3 i868, nastavil make.conf podla http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Intel_Core_2_Solo.2FDuo.2FQuad_.28Allendale.2C_Conroe.2C_Merom.2C_Kentsfield.29_and_Xeon_51xx.2F53xx_.28Woodcrest.2C_Clovertown.29, nastavil menuconfig podla http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Intel_Core2_Duo vsetko sa spravilo ok.. po reboote som postupne emergoval co tam potrebujem a skoncil som pri MC nejde nahodit... aj to hadze chyby pri emerge niecoho ineho, nieco nemam ok Sad

fixi - 17.03.2007 - 22:55
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daj doprdele z make.conf tie flagy, ci to aj potom bude robit...

PCnity - 17.03.2007 - 23:04
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V tom chyba nebude...

Ak mas -j zadane... Daj -j 1... To mne obcas robi problemy.

fixi - 17.03.2007 - 23:12
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PCnity: mne to na freebsd robilo problemy... odstranil som a ide normalne... ad -j, ja pouzivam (na slackware) -j3 a ziaden problem...

PCnity - 17.03.2007 - 23:40
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Ja pouzivam -j2 az -j3 a pri 1 zo 100 mam problem... Dovod vlastne nechapem... Ved make by mal mat plne osetrene paralelne kompilacie.

Chalan - 18.03.2007 - 10:40
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pri instalacii genta su nastavene flagy nasledovne

CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"

ja som ich podla wiki zmenil nasledovne:

CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=nocona -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j3"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/gentoo"
USE="clearpasswd tk apache2 php mysql -X -gtk -gnome qt kde -xmms -arts ipv6 lm_sensors -opengl mbox -spell -xv perlsuid pcre session unicode snmp nptl nptlonly pic -oss -esd -alsa ipf-transparent"
FEATURES="ccache"
CCACHE_SIZE="2G"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"

nieje problem prave v tom ze som zmenil CHOST?

PCnity - 18.03.2007 - 10:48
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CHOST nemen!!!

-fomit-frame-pointer daj na test prec... Moze robit problemy.

-j3 URCITE ODSTRAN!!!

GENTOO_MIRRORS daj ="http://gentoo.ynet.sk/pub"

ccache ODSTRAN!!!

ACCEPT KEYWORDS ODSTRAN!!!

DOPLN:

SYNC="rsync://gentoo.ynet.sk/gentoo-portage"

A gentoo ti urcite pojde OK, az potom rob take experimenty... Tak umaskol si si globalne x86 a cudujes sa ze mas mrte BUGov??? Vlastne si globalne potvrdil TESTING VERZIE.
-j by malo byt pocet CPU + 1... Ale niektore softy proste tak nevykompilujes...
ccache zapnes az budes mat system komplet spraveny...

Chalan - 18.03.2007 - 11:12
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dobre a ked uz som to spravil tak ako som pisal, system normalne nabootuje a zmenim make.conf ako doporucujes ty co potom treba spravit? znova nakompilovat jadro make && make modules_install a potom emerge -e system? ci treba aj emerge update world...

PCnity - 18.03.2007 - 13:52
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Jadro nemusis...

env-update
emerge --update --deep --newuse world

si - 18.03.2007 - 15:03
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PCnity: kolko backdoorov si mu tam do toho doplnil ? podelis sa aj o neake ? Smile

PCnity - 18.03.2007 - 16:28
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Si... Kukni gentoo-wiki... Wink

emerge -- je frontend na portage "sprava meta-distribucie" - gentoo.

--update snad vysvetlovat netreba
--deep = beru sa aj dependencie, nie len ich parenti
--newuse -- nanovo overenie/kompilacia s useflagmi

world je oznacenie "wildcard" vacsiny emergenutych ebuidldov.

Co sa tyka rsync a distfiles mirrorov... Tak gentoo.sk je jednoznacne najlepsia volba... Aj geograficky vzato.

si - 18.03.2007 - 17:26
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PCnity: ja som narazal na ten mirror (gentoo.ynet.sk) Smile

predpokladam ze k nemu mas neaky vztah Smile

PCnity - 18.03.2007 - 17:33
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Ano mam k nemu vztah asi taky ze z neho taha moje gentoo... Aj portage tree aj ebuildy. Inak som nan narazil na gentoo.org kde bol uvedeny ako oficialny SK mirror gentoo. Gentoo.sk

Chalan - 18.03.2007 - 18:14
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a ako je to s portage? ak pri instalacii pouzijem x86 a ked uz bude vsetko nakompilovane a budem chciet i686 alebo aky je v tom rozdiel? v manuale pisu ze pre vsetky nove pc je dobre mat i686 a pre stare x86, avsak vo wiki som nasiel ze mam do make.conf nahodit toto http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Intel_Core_2_Solo.2FDuo.2FQuad_.28Allendale.2C_Conroe.2C_Merom.2C_Kentsfield.29_and_Xeon_51xx.2F53xx_.28Woodcrest.2C_Clovertown.29:

CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j3"

ak nepouzijem parameter ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" tak pri emerge --sources sa mi nestiahne najnovsi kernel 20-r3 ale 19-r5 kde v procesors nieje este ani polozka core2 ale len pentia, tak teraz neviem...