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The time now is 19.04.2024 - 04:58


Utoky DoS a filter BCP140

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Levian
Post subject: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 16.07.2014 - 22:18 #106972
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Mam jeden problem na sieti kedy z mojej IP adresy na mikrotiku idu DoS utoky na DNS servre mojho ISP. Zakaznici su za NATkom takze neviem kto to je. Moj ISP mi doporucil aplikovat pravidlo BCP140. Googlil som ako to nakonfigurovat na mikrotiku ale nenasiel som co potrebujem. Vie to mikrotik vobec riesit ? Pripadne co by ste mi doporucili? Predpokladam ze cisco switch. Kam ho treba nasadit, na wan alebo do lan, konfiguracia ako router alebo switch ? Na lanke mam Catalist 3750 ale myslim ze tato nevie filter BCP140 robit. Ci ano ?
 
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kemper
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 17.07.2014 - 12:38 #106975
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Mas zablokovany port 53 z vonku ?
 
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Levian
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 17.07.2014 - 13:22 #106976
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Jasne, 53 je bloknuty. To bolo ako prve.
 
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Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 17.07.2014 - 14:40 #106977
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Levian wrote: ›Jasne, 53 je bloknuty. To bolo ako prve.


Ale ked tam mas mikrotik co ti brani zistit kto ti to robi? vylistuj si 53 a hotovo.
 
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JOFO
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 17.07.2014 - 15:40 #106979
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alebo si mozes rovno nastavit natvrdo limit DNS requestov na IPcku za sekundu a bude pokoj.. taktiez pomoze bloknut velke DNS requesty. Ked idu z nejakej IPcky DNS requesty v 1,5kb paketoch tak to asi nebude bezny trafik Smile
 
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Levian
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 18.07.2014 - 08:56 #106981
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IP DNS servra nieje moja akdresa (moj mikrotik) ale ip adresa u mojho providera. Ja na sieti problem nemam, problem ma moj ISP s tym ze z mojej siete idu utoky na jeho DNS servre a vytazuju ho na 70% Preto blokol pristup mojim verejnym IP k jeho servrom. Vidim ja vobec niekde tento trafic kedze adresovane to je priamo na neho ? v Connections sa jeho IP adresa DNS servra nenachadza.
Toto mam aplikovat, ako ?
http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp140
 
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Chalan
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 18.07.2014 - 16:06 #106984
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bud mi sibe alebo som prepracovany ale podla mojho nazoru, ak ide z tvojej siete utok na dns tvojho providera problem mas v prvom rade ty a nie tvoj provider... okrem toho ak ti to leze cez tvoju gw co je mk tam to predsa musis vidiet...
 
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Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 18.07.2014 - 17:51 #106985
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presne tak.. ak tam mas mikrotik, tak si torchom pozri co ti lezie od klientov cez udp 53. Dropuj velke DNS requesty a pripadne nastav si aj rate a bude pokoj.. Ja som mal tiez taky problem, ale par pravidiel vo fw to hravo vyriesi
 
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Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 18.07.2014 - 20:33 #106986
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JOFO wrote: ›presne tak.. ak tam mas mikrotik, tak si torchom pozri co ti lezie od klientov cez udp 53. Dropuj velke DNS requesty a pripadne nastav si aj rate a bude pokoj.. Ja som mal tiez taky problem, ale par pravidiel vo fw to hravo vyriesi

vsak mu sem daj tie pravidla a bude pokoj ako pises
 
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Levian
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 18.07.2014 - 22:11 #106987
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Cez torch na port53 je TX Rate do 1000bps, Obcas sa objavi aj 2000bps ale len vynimoecne aj to z viac IP. RX rate je max 400bps
 
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Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 19.07.2014 - 00:33 #106988
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skus zakazat DNS vonku a redirektni vsetky DNS requesty na DNS poksytovatela.
Vo firewalle daj do filtra taketo nieco
Code: › chain=forward action=drop protocol=udp src-address-list=!Lokalka dst-port=53

Kde v liste "Lokalka" su vsetky subnety, ktore pouzivas. Toto ti odfiltruje DNS bordel na GW. V NATe uz len daj na zaciatok redirekt UDP 53 na IPcku DNS servra a hotovo.. Jednak odfiltrujes bordel a zaroven poriesis situacie, ked si zakaznik nastavi sam blbe DNS alebo mu to prestavi dajaky virus.. Moze si potom nastavit akukolvek IPcku a DNS mu pobezi aj tak Smile
 
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Chalan
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 19.07.2014 - 09:00 #106989
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ale co firemny klienti ktory maju vlasnte dnska atd...
 
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Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 19.07.2014 - 10:22 #106991
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samozrejme v pripade firemnych sa to neredirektuje a mozu si pouzivat co chcu. Su si za to ale sami zodpovedni. Z domacich zakaznikov sa zatial nik na to nestazoval.. Bezny clovek nema niekde na nete svoje DNS servre a vsetky requesty sa resolvuju rovnako.
 
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Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 20.07.2014 - 12:47 #106992
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Chlapi, ak niekomu vytazujem na 70% DNS server tak za 1. v connections okamzite musim vidiet skade to ide, kedze to nebude 1-2 spojenia. Treba spolupracovat s majitelom DNS nech poskytne vypis z conntracku jeho servera, ktore spojenia ho vytazuju (vypis).

V poslednom rade, ty ako admin siete musis poznat svoju topologiu tak aby si vedel urcit ktora verejna IP adresa ide kam....a na mašine ktora robi NAT vies vylistovat priamo zakaznikov ktory posielaju takyto bordel. Je mala pravdepodobnost ze to robi viac zakaznikov naraz. Inac toto su velmi velmi zakladne veci.
 
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Chalan
Post subject: RE: Utoky DoS a filter BCP140  PostPosted: 20.07.2014 - 15:25 #106993
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Express wrote: ›
JOFO wrote: ›presne tak.. ak tam mas mikrotik, tak si torchom pozri co ti lezie od klientov cez udp 53. Dropuj velke DNS requesty a pripadne nastav si aj rate a bude pokoj.. Ja som mal tiez taky problem, ale par pravidiel vo fw to hravo vyriesi

vsak mu sem daj tie pravidla a bude pokoj ako pises


express ty aj zijes? Smile
 
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